I watched the interview between Judy and Nancy last night and all I could hear was Judy hammering on and on about how the Democrats were going down, down. You spend too much time listening to polls not people and when you do the latter the interviewing is soft--never a followup question; sounds like the questions are always from a playbook. Almost all interviews are boring. Why for example don't you point out to Republicans spouting about inflation that it's less here than in Europe or ask follow-up questions about how the Republicans will deal with inflation. No, it's just on to the next question on the list and let what was just said go.
PBS interviews are a good time to mute the sound until they're over.