pls forgive the parents, they have no idea what they have done to their kids. they have almost destroyed the oldest sons marriage, keep the older kids from the younger kids which will eventualy, one by one, turn their back on parents just like the olders ones have. they think their kids want more from them when the truth is they want less of them. to say they know what they are doing all the time, has pushed them further away. they have not given them joy but heartache.